Ramos-Horta seeks new alliance in bid for leadership role

photo: www.sapo.tl

LESS than a week after Jose Ramos-Horta lost his bid for another term as president of East Timor he has decided to throw his weight behind the country's third party, the Democrats, for the June parliamentary election.

The 1996 Nobel laureate, who helped shepherd the tiny nation to independence in 1999, will shun the two major parties, Fretilin and CNRT, and push for the upstart Democratic Party to lead the country.

The party is headed by Fernando Lasama de Araujo, who came fourth in the race on Saturday for the presidency. Dr Ramos- Horta came second. Between them they won about 36 per cent of the vote - not enough for either candidate to proceed to the second round of voting on April 21, but a formidable bloc in the June parliamentary elections.

The move pits Dr Ramos-Horta against his former ally and friend Xanana Gusmao, the Prime Minister. Mr Gusmao's CNRT party had refused to back Dr Ramos-Horta in the presidential race. 

The move suggests the parliamentary race will become a tight battle between three parties: the Democrats in alliance with Dr Ramos-Horta, Fretilin, whose presidential candidate, Francisco ''Lu-Olo'' Guterres, won the first round of the presidential election, and Mr Gusmao's CNRT.

In East Timor the prime minister does not need to be a member of the parliament. Some observers speculated that Dr Ramos-Horta was hoping the Democratic Party would win and appoint him again to the post he held between 2006 and 2007.

As president, Dr Ramos-Horta was becoming increasingly frustrated and vocal about what he saw as corruption and inactivity from the Gusmao government.

Dr Ramos-Horta said yesterday that the election demonstrated that he had many supporters. He wanted to join the Democratic Party to help it win the parliamentary election and set up the new government.

"I must work together with them [Democratic Party],'' Dr Ramos-Horta said. He wanted ''a good political configuration [for] the future of the country".

He said the Democratic Party was a party of the future because its supporters were mostly young people.

Mr Lasama said a coalition between his party and Dr Ramos-Horta would be strong.

"Big brother Ramos-Horta will go with his younger brothers [in the Democratic Party] to prepare to meet the parliamentary election and the formation of a … constitutional Government of the Republic Democratic of Timor-Leste," he said.

Source: http://www.smh.com.au/world/ramoshorta-seeks-new-alliance-in-bid-for-leadership-role-20120322-1vkob.html

Ramos Horta Hamutuk Ho PD hamosu Terceira Via Forsa Politika

Iha loron 21 FulanMarsu tinan 2012, konferensia imprensa hosi kandidatus Jose Ramos Horta (JRH) no Fernando La Sama de Araujo (FLA), iha Hotel Timor, Dili. Hosi kandidatus nain rua ne’ebe pasa ba kampane segunda volta, Francisco Guterres Lu’olo ne’ebe hetan apoio hosi partidu Fretilin no kandidatu Taur Matan Ruak (TMR) ne’ebe hetan apoio hosi partidu CNRT, hotu-hotu hein no haruka ninia emar ba akompana konferensia imprensa ne’e. Espetativa ba media no kandidatus nain rua ne’ebe pasa ba segunda volta, mai ho hanoin katak kandidatus JRH no FLA atu deklara sira nia apoio ba kandidatu ne’ebe los. 

Maibe kontiudu central hosi konferensia imprensa ne’e mak: kandidatus nain rua ninia resultadus tau hamutuk hetan ho percentajen 35%. Agradece ba povus ne’ebe maka fo suporta no fiar liu hosi votus. Atu hatutan fiar povu nian ne’ebe ho total 35%, kandidatus nain rua ne’e sei lao hamutuk iha eleisaun Parlamentares iha fulan Junho mai ne’e. Iha deklarasaun konjunta hakerek nune’e: ’Nudar lideres politiku, Jose Ramos Horta no Fernando Lasama de Araujo, deklara hahu ohin ba oin, sei servisu hamutuk hodi prepara ba eleisaun Parlamentares 2012 no forma V Governo Konstitusional’. 

Tuir noticias hosi Telejornal Radio Televisao Portuguesa (RTP) edisaun Jornal da Tarde Quarta-Feira (21/03/2012) katak, ’’kandidatus JRH no FLA,hamosu terceira via politika hodi partisipa iha eleisaun Presidensial segunda volta no mos prepara ba eleisaun Parlamentares iha fulan Junho 2012 (Telejornal RTP, 21/03/2012)’’ . Hamosu konfegurasaun foun iha kontestu politika Timor-Leste nian,iha tinan sanulu ita nia restaurasaun Independencia RDTL, konfigurasaun politika nasional domina hosi blokus rua, Fretilin no Mari Alkatiri hosi sorin ida. 

Sorin seluk Kay Rala Xanana Gusmao no ikus mai harii partidu CNRT. Politika nasional muzika melodia toka hosi autores hanesan no atores segundares seluk dansa no hananu tuir ritmu muzika. 

Mosu terceira via politika, ne’ebe konsekuensia direta hosi procesu eleisuan Presidensial, hamosu forsa politika ida, ne’ebe tau hamutuk resultadus votus hosi kandidatus JRH no FLA, ho total 35% ne’ebe bele representa forsas politika ne’ebe signifikadus tebes iha eleisaun Parlamentares no ninia konsekuensia ba forma V Governu Konstitusional. 

 Realidade mak ne’e, 20.05.2012, Timor-Leste tenki iha duni Presidente Republika ida, movimentu terceira via ninia inklinasaun ba kandidatus ne’ebe, ita bele halo ona previsaun se mak atu sai Presidente ba periudu 2012-2017. Mas terceira via forsas politika, bele iha ona instrumentu atu halo negociasaun ho qualquer forsas mai hosi primeira via lidera hosi partidu Fretilin no Mari Alkatiri, segunda via lidera hosi CNRT no Kay Rala Xanana Gusmao! 

Dili, 21.03.2012

 

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Povu Ermera Sei Vota ba La Sama

ERMERA—Team susesu Kapres Fernando Lasama husi Nasional ho Distritu iha Ermera, garante povu Distritu Ermera sei vota ba Lasama iha eleisaun prezidensial, tanba Lasama abut ba PD iha Timor laran tomak.

Christhoper Henry Samson, team susesu nasional kanpres Lasama, hamutuk ho team susesu Distritu Ermera halao kampaine haleu Sukus 52, Sub Distritu lima iha Distritu Ermera. Liu husi kampaine nebe sira halao, ekipa susesu hirak nee fiar katak maioria povu Distritu Ermera sei vota ba kandidatu Prezidente Republika Fernando Lasama de Araujo.

“Povu Ermera sei vota ba kanpres Lasama atu sai, PR periodu 2012-2017, tanba PD partidu ida abut metin iha Distritu Ermera durante tinan 10 nia laran. “Husu ba povu ou, membrus, simpatizantes no povu tomak iha Distritu Ermera atu vota ba Lasama iha loron 17 de Marsu. Lasama iha kapasidade no iha mos esperensia makaas hanesan Prezidente Interinu durante fulan 3 ho balu, agora hanesan Prezidente PN, simu Novel husi America iha tinan 1992, Lidera Renitil to TL hetan Independencia,” Antonio Maia dos Santos.

Kordenador PD Sub Distritu Letefoho,Distritu Ermera, Egas Lukas Soares ba STL dehan, kanpres Lasama posivel manan maioria iha Distritu Ermera, tanba PD daudauk buras no boot iha Ermera, nee hatudu ona iha segundu eleisaun tinan hirak liu ba. “Ami garantia Maun Lasama manan iha Ermera”. (dlo)

STL, 13 Marsu 2012

Fernando “La Sama” de Araújo Lider Jerasaun Foun ba Futuru Timor Leste

Ba periodu kandidatura Presidenti da Republika 2012-2017, figura gerasaun antiqu nian sei domina, hanesan Avo Xavi, Ramos Horta, Jose Luis Guterres, Fransisco Guterres “Lu-Olo”, Abilio de Araujo, Rogerio Tiago Lobato, Taur Matan Ruak, no Manuel Tilman. Sira hotu gerasaun era 75-nian. Figura gerasaun foun nian maka hanesan: Fernando “La Sama” de Araujo, Angelita Maria Fransisca Pires, Fransisco Gomes, no Maria do Ceu Lopes da Silva.

Mapa kandidatura nee hatudu mos katak, iha palku politika Timor Leste oras nee dadaun, gerasaun antiqu sei kompetiza maka’as ba poder politiku. Ida nee refleta katak, prosesu estafeta (alih generasi) lideransa nasional husi gerasaun antiqu ba gerasaun foun tuir dalan konvensional nian, seidauk fo janela luan. Presiza prosesu naruk, han tempu, no presiza kaderizasaun. Maibe, dalan ba ida nee, laos xavi maten ida. Democrasia mak sai matadalan seguru ba prosesu alih gerasaun. Determinasaun tomak sei mai husi povu. Povu mak sei fo desizaun politiku.

Hatan ejijensia ida nee, alhamdulilah, kanpres hotu-hotu koalia ona ba povu katak, “manan ka lakon” iha eleisaun presidensial mai nee, sira hotu prontu simu no respeita desizaun povu, tamba poder tomak iha povu nia liman. Husi prosesu democrasia ne’ebe akontese dadaun iha ita nia rain, ita ha’ree performancia figura gerasaun foun la lakon ho gerasaun antiqu. Sira iha ona kapasidade tasak, iha experiensia barak atu lidera nasaun no povu ida nee. Sira nia vizaun politika ba futuru nasaun ida nee mos laiha diferensia ho vizaun lider antigu. Sira hotu hakarak dezenvolve nasaun ida nee ba futuru diak, hakarak povu ida nee moris iha situasaun seguransa kondisifu, nakonu ho paz, unidade no estabilidade nasional tenki metin nudar pra-syarat atu dudu prosesu dezenvolvimento nasional. Hakarak hasai povu husi kiak ba kondisaun moris prospero.

Banati ba dalan democrasia nian, ita mos ha’ree katak tinan hirak nia laran, globalizasaun mundial lori afeitasaun maka’as ba TL. Lori mudansa signifikan barak ba ema Timor nia hanoin, ba ema Timor nian mentalidade politiku, ba lideransa nasional no lider parpol tomak konaba oinsa maneja vida pais ida nee nian ho perspektiva madani ba futuru ne’ebe diakliu hanesan nasaun sel-seluk.

Husi prosesu democrasia, globalizasaun TL pasca ukun a’an, hamosu ona figura nurak ida naran: Fernando La Sama de Araujo. Nia figura ida husi gerasaun foun ne’ebe livre husi konflitus era 75-nian. Nia figura lider ida maka energetika, figura komunikatifu, anti konfrontatifu, no matadalan ba dialogu ba problema saida deit. Pelumenus (paling tidak), kapasidade hirak nee nia hatudu ona hahu husi tempo resistensia (nia diriji Renetil) mai to’o tempu ukun a’an.

La Sama moris husi familia simplis. Ninia inan aman moris nudar agrikultor. Nia moris iha Manutasi, Ainaro, dia 26 de Fevereiru 1963. Nia ona ba dala 5 husi maun alin nain 8 (feto 5, mane 3). Uluk sei ki’ik, nia sai husi eskola ajuda inan aman hamos du’ut iha to’os kafe, halo natar no hein karau.

Tama idade joven, ahi revolusaun ba independensia sunu maka’as La Sama. Halo nia “isin besi, ran manas” ba okupasaun Indonesia. Espirito nasionalismu nee obriga La Sama hamutuk ho estudantes nasionalistas grupu ki’ik ida ho aten brani deklara “Insurreicao Politica dos Estudantes de Timor Leste” (Kebangkitan Politik Mahasiswa dan Pelajar Timor Timur) ha’rii Resistensia Nacional dos Estudante de Timor Leste (Renetil) iha dia 20 de Junho 1988, oras 21.00, iha Denpasar Bali-Indonesia. Liu semana hirak tiha, sira nain 10 hato’o ejiejstensia Renetil ba Komando Supeiror da Luta Kay Rala Xanana Gusmao.

Antes ha’rii Renetil, sira hahu halo diskusaun atu ha’rii organizasaun nee hahu desde 1986. Renetil nudar organizasaun ba jovens no estudantes nasionalista Timor oan tomak ne’ebe estuda ka servisu iha Indonesia. Sira nia estratejia katak, liuhosi Renetil bele izola Timor oan tomak husi influensia interese politika ideolojika, sosial no ekonomika ne’ebe okupantes sira lansa. Alein de izola Timor oan sira hosi influensia ideolojia “Pancasila”, ho estratejia seluk hanesan, liuhosi Renetil bele habelar funu iha Timor-Leste sai mos isu nasional iha própria Indonezia nian laran (timorização do conflito).

Hahu mos hosi loron 20 fulan Junho 1988 to’o tinan 2000, nia halao knar nudar Sekretariu Jeral Renetil, hodi koordena aktividades klandestina hotu, hahu dada no rekruta estudantes no jovens nasionalistas sai membrus no militantes Renetil. Nia diriji Renetil iha funu maluk (inimigo) nia leet, ne’ebe envolve jovens no estudantes nasionalistas sira iha Indonésia nian laran tomak, hanesan Denpasar-Bali, Mataram, Ujung Pandang, Surabaya, Malang, Madiun, Jember, Solo, Salatiga, Jogya, Semarang, Cirebon, Bandung, Jakarta, no Lampung.

Nu’une’e mos diresaun iha Timor-Leste (DIJERTIL), diresaun jeral autonoma iha exterior (DIGAREX) iha Portugal ne’ebe engloba Australia, Englatera, no Irlandia hala’o servisu tuir diretrizes hosi Fernando La Sama de Araújo, ne’ebe mos rona no simu ordem ka instrusoins hosi Komando Supeiror da Luta. Hahu hosi biban ne’ebe La Sama diriji hala’o aktividades Renetil ba dala uluk, depois de Komando Superior da Luta mos hatene Renetil no rekuinese ninia ejistensia.

Iha dia 24 Novembro 1991, liutiha loron 12 Masakre Santa Cruz, intel militares TNI kaer La Sama iha nia hela fatin, ne’ebe sai mos hanesan Sede ba Renetil. Intel kaer nia kalan boot iha Tamansari, iha zona Sesetan, Sanglah, Denpasar-Bali. Lori nia ba interrogatoriu iha Intel sira nian fatin, tortura nia no hatama nia ba kadeia iha Denpasar. Depois lori ba Jakarta. Nofim, hahu husi 25 Setembru 1992 to’o 23 Marsu 1998, nia sai prizioneiru iha Prizaun Cipinang, Jakarta, hamutuk ho kompatriotas, kamaradas no kombatentes sira seluk hanesan João Câmara (atual embaixador TL ba Tailândia), Marito Reis (Secretário de Estado dos Antigos Combatentes e Veteranos da Guerra) no Kay Rala Xanana Gusmão (atual Primeiro-Ministro).

La Sama mos sai koordenador ba seksaun Komunikasaun Sosial, Komisaun Planeamentu no Koordenasaun Kampanha (CPCC-CNRT), orgaun ida ne’ebe importante ba iha movimentu pro independensia Timor-Leste. Iha area ida nee, La Sama halo planu no programa kampanha liuhosi: Impresaun Material (panfletus, poster no kartazes), Radio (Programa Oras To’o Ona - Radio Timor Kmanek no Radio Republik Indonesia), Programa Televizaun (Media Center, Dili), Distribuisaun informasaun kona ba kampanha ba Timor laran tomak. La sama mos hanesan Responsavel Prinsipal ba Vox Populi (diariu CNRT nian ba kampanha Independensia) iha Julhu 1999.

Nia mos partisipa konferensia internasional iha rai barak no sai orador kona ba problema Timor-Leste, Direitus Umanus (DH) iha forum internasional hanesan iha Japaun, Inglaterra, Finlândia, Irlanda, Portugal, Amerika, Canada, Hong Kong no Filipina. Hosi tinan 1999-2001, La Sama kontinua estudu iha Universidade Melbourne, Australia. Depois iha dia 10 Junho 2001, nia funda Partido Democrático–PD no asumi kargu nu’udar Prezidente Partido Democrático. Iha tinan 2001, tempu Governu Konstitusional ba dala uluk (I GC), hili nia sai hanesan Vise Ministru Negosius Estranjeirus no Kooperasaun, Vise ba Dr. José Ramos-Horta ne’ebe tutela kargu nu’udar MNEC iha biban neba. Iha Julho 2007, eleitu sai nudar Prezidente PN (2007-2012). Durante diriji PN, to’o ohin loron konsege garante estabilidade politika iha Uma Fukun PN ne’ebe mos kontribui ba estabilidade nasional, konsege mantein funsionamentu normal PN, konsege konsolida bloku Aliansa Maioria Parlamentar–AMP, hodi orienta PN ba dezenvolvimentu nasional, no sempre bolu atensaun ba governu nomos lori membrus PN tomak tau matan ba povo aileba sira iha zonas izoladas no bolu atensaun governo tau matan ba juventude sira.

Iha Fevereiru 2007, liu hosi konferensia nasional Partido Democrático, reprezentantes hosi distritus hotu-hotu hili nudar nu’udar Prezidente PD hodi konkorre ba Prezidente Republika iha eleisoins prezidensiais, hodi nu’une’e lori PD no ema rihun ba rihun no grupu oi-oin husi vertentes hotu-hotu nian naran sai destakadu boot hanesan líder jerasaun foun ne’ebe tama iha jogu polítiku iha nível aas iha nasaun ida ne’e. Ninian kandidatura ba PR hetan apoiu makaas hosi sikun hotu-hotu.

Iha Fevereiru 2008, nia asumi kargu nu’udar Prezidente da Republika Interinu depois de Prezidente Ramos-Horta hetan atentadu no sofre kanek hodi halo tratamentu iha Australia. Durante nia asumi interinamente knaar nu’udar PR, La Sama hola inisiativa, buka oin sa bele asegura estabilidade politika nasional iha biban ne’ebe Nasaun hasoru situasaun frajil (estado de sítio) no emerjensia. Buka oinsa bele ultrapasa diverjensia boot entre estadu ho grupus armadus sira. Nia ho orgauns soberanu sira seluk konsege halibur hamutuk hikas PNTL ho F-FDTL hodi tula responsabilidades ba instituisoins rua ne’e atu servi ba povo nian interese hodi servisu no aktua hamutuk iha komandu ida nian okos, hodi hasoru situasoins emerjentes hotu iha rai laran, liu-liu atu buka konvense grupus armadus Alfredo Reinado ho Gastão Salsinha nian.

Iha ninian lideransa, grupo Alfredo Reinado ho Gastão Salsinha entrega sira nian kilat ho nian musan ho material selu-seluk, hodi nu’une’e sira entrega mos sira nian an ba justisa. Tanba, se laos lideransa ida hanesan nia mak atentadu 2008 kontra orgaun sobenarus rua, Prezidente Republika ho Primeiro-Ministro mak estabilidade nasional bele la hetan garantia, ne’ebe bele sobu estabilidade nasional. Ne’eduni La Sama iha ona maturidade politika no sosial naton. Sekarik eleitu ba PR, maka tempo to’o ona nia bele kaer kna’ar nudar Chefe do Estado. orlando pereira

STL, 6 Marsu 2012

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Hanoin Hikas Dadalia Badak "Avo Xavi" ho "La Sama"

FERNANDO LASAMA - FRANCISCO XAVIER

DADALIA BADAK

Sani hikas dadalia badak "Avo Xavi" ho "La Sama" iha Hospital Nasional Guido Valadares, Dili, 11 Janeiru 1012.

La Sama hakbesik ba Avo Xavier hodi hakuak no rei, Avo Xavier kaer metin La Sama nia liman rua hodi hateten,

• "hau nia konfiansa iha o".

La Sama hatan ba konfiansa Avo Xavier nian ne'e hodi hateten,

• "Obrigado Avo, maibe Avo lalika preokupa demais ho politika, Avo tenki deskansa maka barak ho Maromak nia tulun, Avo bele rekopera fali lalais".

La Sama mos dehan ba Avo Xavier katak,

• "Avo lalika preokupa demais ho nasaun ne’e nia vida. Tamba saida maka agora ami halo, ami halo tuir mehi Avo nian, ami lao tuir Avo nia ain fatin. Iha tempu badak ami sei aprova lei rai nian ne’ebe garante direitu povu maubere nian hanesan Avo hakarak".

Avo Xavier mos matan ben nakonu bainhira rona liafuan husi La Sama, nune’e Avo Xavier foti sai nia liman inan fo jempol rua ba La Sama.

Avo Xavier koalia lia fuan fila-fila ba La Sama maka, ‘hau nia konfiansa iha o’. La Sama hatan, ‘ami lao tuir Avo nia hakarak no mehi’.

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Deskansa ho Paz "Avo Xavi"!+

Xavier do Amaral: "Uma perda para todos os timorenses"

Óbito/Xavier do Amaral: "Uma perda para todos os timorenses" - candidatura de Fernando La Sama de Araújo

Díli, 06 mar (Lusa) - O mandatário da candidatura de Fernando La Sama de Araújo às presidenciais de dia 17 em Timor-Leste, João Boavida, lamentou hoje a morte de Francisco Xavier do Amaral, considerando que é "uma perda para todos os timorenses".

"É uma perda para todos os timorenses, sendo ele o proclamador da República em 1975", afirmou João Boavida.

O mandatário de Fernando La Sama de Araújo destacou também o trabalho que Francisco Xavier do Amaral fez pela democracia no país.

O primeiro Presidente de Timor-Leste e que declarou a independência em 1975 morreu hoje em Díli vítima de doença prolongada.

Francisco Xavier do Amaral era candidato às presidenciais de dia 17.

O candidato falecido, que foi o primeiro Presidente de Timor-Leste, em 1975, tinha sido internado a semana passada e não estava a participar nas atividades da campanha eleitoral, que começou a 29 de fevereiro e termina a 14 de março.

A doença de Francisco Xavier do Amaral levou o parlamento timorense a reunir-se de emergência na semana passada para alterar a lei eleitoral, que previa a marcação de uma nova data para as eleições por incapacidade ou morte de algum candidato.

MSE.

Lusa/Fim

La Sama: saida mak sei halao wainhira povu fo fiar ba kaer kargu nudar Presidente Republika 2012-2017

Dili, 02 Fulan Marsu tinan 2012

Maske independensia institusional no principius separasaun poderes, maibe konstituisaun mos hatur katak, ”koperasaun institusional hosi orgauns soberania hotu”, tamba ne’ e maka nudar Presidente Republika hodi kopera ho orgauns soberania seluk hanesan Parlamento Nasional, Governu no Tribunal konaba materias sira hanesan:

1. Estado:

• Kaer Metin Konstituisaun hodi Hametin Estado
• Presidente mantem unidade nasional
• Tane ás soberania nasional
• Halao knar nudar Poder Presidente Republika ne’ebe maka hatur no defini iha Konstituisaun RDTL

2. Justisa:

Kaer metin justisa hodi hametin soberania. Exemplo: Presidente La Sama, labele fó indultos arbiru.

Promulga Lei no fiskalizasaun abstrata ba Leis hotu-hotu konforme K-RDTL fó knar ba ida ne’e.

3. Justisa Sosial:

Preokupasaun ba antigos kombatentes Libertasaun nasional,ferik katuas no kbiit laek sira. Preokupasaun ba politika social,maibe labele intervene iha area exekutivu nian.

4. Sosio-kultural:

Preokupasaun ba identidade nasional,edukasaun,saude. Promove atividades kultural ne’ebe mak bazeia ba produsaun kultural hodi haklaken kultural nudar identidade nasional no kultural.

5. Desenvolimentu Ekonomika:

Kooperasaun ho Instituisaun,liliu governu atu tau matan ba procesu desenvolvimentu.Desenvolvimentu ne'ebe sustentavel.

6. Liberdade no Demokrasia:

Garante ba Liberdade no demokrasia ne’ebe nudar valores ne’ebe Estado RDTL tane ás.

Garante ba Liberdade ba imprensa, liberdade ba hato hanoin,tamba hetan mahon hosi Konstituisaun RDTL

7. Juventude no Desporto:

La Sama, nudar Presidente Republika buka servisu no koopera ho membru Governu tutela hodi promove atividades desportiva,kulturais no rekreativas ne’ebe beneficiu ba juventude no kontribui ba estabilidade sosial.

La Sama, nudar Presidente Republika, promove dialogue entre grupos hotu-hotu, atu tane ás Soberania,Estado no unidade Nasional

8. Politika:

Politika Interna:

Politika Interna, nudar Presidente Republika promove dialogue entre orgauns Soberania sira, ho Sosiedade Civil, dialogue permanente ho reliajauns sira,ho komponentes hotu-hotu iha Sosiedade Timor nian.

Kopera ho Governu atu implementa Municipius, hosi Municipius poder politika delega ba karaik.

Politika Externa:

• Promove diplomasia ne’ebe pro-ativu iha foruns internasional no buka dalan pacifiku ba resolusaun ba konflitus internasionais.
• Promove integrasaun rejional Timor-Leste nian ba ASEAN no pro-ativu iha resolusaun sira ne’ebe maka mosu iha kontextu rejional.
• Promove politika externa ne’ebe defende ba interese Nasional.
• Promove koperasaun especial ho rai sira ne’ebe mak koalia lian Portugues hanesan CPLP.
• Promove koperasaun bilateraius ho rai hotu-hotu iha mundo, hanesan: Indonesia, Australia, Estado Unidos Amerika, Japaun,Republika Popular Cina, Koreia,Uni Europa, no sst.

9. Forcas Defesa no Seguranca:

Forcas:

Nudar Komandante Supremo ba Forcas Armadas, kopera ho Governu hodi tau matan ba desenvolvimentu institusional F-FDTL, Rekursus Umanus ne’ebe F-FDTL hasoru no Infra-Estrutura ne’ebe maka F-FDTL hetan.

Forca Seguranca:

Nudar Xefi Estado, buka kopera ho Governu hodi tau matan ba: Desenvolvimentu Institusional PNTL nian, Rekursus Umanus ne’ebe PNTL hasoru no Infra-estrutruas ne’ebe PNTL hasoru.

Dili, 02 Fulan Marsu tinan 2012!

Equipa Task Force Média Kandidatura La Sama Prezidente Republika 2012!

Saida mak La Sama halo, hare iha nia Curriculum Vitae

Nome: Fernando La Sama de Araújo

Data de Nascimento: 26 de Fevereiro de 1963

Estado Civil: Casado

Esposa: Marie Jacqueline Aquino Siapno, PhD, Professora na Universidade Nacional de Seoul – Corea do Sul

Filho: Lírio Hadomi Aquino de Araújo

Naturalidade: Manutasi, Ainaro

Posição

1. Presidente Parlamento Nacional – 2007 – 2012.
2. Presidente Partido Democrático – 2001 até a data.

Formação Académica

1. Pós Graduação – Frequentou na área do Meio Ambiente – Universidade Melbourne, Austrália, 2000-2001.
2. Licenciatura – Frequentou na Faculdade de Letras – Universidade Udayana Denpasar/Indonésia, 1985 – 1991.

Experiência política e profissional

1. Actualmente candidato à Presidente da República 2012/2017.
2. Presidente em exercício Assembleia Parlamentar – CPLP 2012/2013
3. Presidente Parlamento Nacional 2007/2012.
4. Vice-Ministro dos Negócios Estrangeiro e Cooperação – Governo de transição da UNTAET, 2001-2002.
5. Secretário-Geral da RENETIL 1988-2000.
6. Fundador RENETIL – Resistência Nacional dos Estudante de Timor-Leste, 1988.
7. Prisioneiro político – 1991-1998, Cipinang, Jacarta, Indonésia.
8. Fundador Partido Democrático – PD, 2001.
9. Fundador do Jornal Vox Populi.
10. Coordenador Rádio Timor Kmanek – Programa Oras to’o ona, Conselho Nacional da Resistência Timorense – CNRT, 1999.
11. Coordenador da Comissão de Planeamento, Conselho Nacional da Resistência Timorense – CNRT, 1999.

Nu’udar povo ki’ik no la’o ain tanan nian oan, Fernando de Araújo mos moris husi susar no terus hahu hosi ki’ik. Ninian inan ho aman la konsege kuinese alfabeto português to’o husik hela mundu ne’e tanba la hetan biban iha tempu Governu Português ukun Timor, no mos tanba la’os liurai nian oan ne’ebe bele tama eskola ho fasilidade iha biban neba. Sei ki’ik nia sai hosi eskola, ajuda nian inan-aman hamos du’ut iha to’os kafe, halo natar no dala ruma sai karau atan.

Aktual Prezidente Parlamento Nacional, oan ba dala 5 (lima) hosi maun-alin na’in 8 (ualu), feto na’in 5 (lima) mane na’in 3 (tolu), rezultadu hosi Horácio de Araújo ho Emiliana da Conceição nian domin. Maibe hela deit sira na’in 5 (lima) tanba husi maun-alin na’in 8 (ualu) mate na’in 3 (tolu), feto 2 (rua) mane 1 (ida).

- Iha tuku 21:00, loron 20 fulan Junho tinan 1988, Fernando La Sama de Araújo ho estudantes nasionalistas grupu ki’ik ida ho aten brani deklara “Insurreição Política dos Estudantes de Timor Leste” (Kebangkitan Politik Mahasiswa dan Pelajar Timor Timur) hodi harii RENETIL.

Fernando La Sama hamutuk ho estudantes nasionalistas na’in 9 (sia) seluk-seluk ne’ebe harii organizasaun RENETIL, hanesan Lucas da Costa (Lahe-Mau ka Rama Metan) , Julio Abel Ribeiro (Taetudak), Jose A.M.X. Gonçalves (Si’ak), Adolfo Fontes (Mau-Lamas), João Cardoso (Mau-Riba), João Araujo (Mau-Terus), Marciano Octaviano Garcia da Silva (Sury Sakar Subar), Agapito Cardoso (Mau-Laco) ho Carlos da Silva Lopes (Freezip ka Saky).

La Sama ho nian grupu ki’ik ne’e deklara ejistensia RENETIL formalmente iha tinan 1988, maibe grupu estudantes sira nebee harii organizasaun nee rasik, hahu halo diskusaun atu harii organizasaun hodi funu ba ukun-an, hahu ona desde iha tinan 1986.

- Nu’une’e, iha loron 20 fulan Junho tinan 1988, nia lidera estudantes nacionalistas universitarius na’in 10 hamutuk ho nia, harii organizasaun klandestina Resistência Nacional dos Estudante de Timor-Leste – RENETIL, iha Denpasar, Bali – Indonésia. Organizasaun ne’e ba jovens no estudantes nacionalistas Timor oan tomak ne’ebe estuda ka servisu iha Indonésia. Ho estratejia katak liu hosi RENETIL bele izola Timor oan tomak husi influensia interese politika ideolojika, sosial no ekonomika ne’ebe okupantes sira lansa. Alein de izola Timor oan sira hosi influensia ideolojia “pancasila”, ho estratejia seluk hanesan, liu hosi RENETIL bele habelar funu iha Timor-Leste sai mos isu nasional iha própria Indonezia nian laran (timorização do conflito) iha Repúblika Indonésia.

Hahu hosi loron 20 fulan Junho tinan 1988, nia jura ba nian an rasik, jura ba maromak, jura ba Bandeira Nasional, jura ba povo heroiku maubere no jura ba heróis matebian sira hotu katak, nia sei Luta ba Libertasaun Nasional no sei fiel ba prinsipiu ukun rasik an, fiel no submisaun total ba ordem hosi Komandu Superior da Luta. Jura atu luta to’o nian ran turuk ida ba dala ikus (até a última gota de sangue) kontra invazaun vergonhoza ho okupasaun ilegal no opresaun sistematika hosi rejime militar Soeharto nian iha Timor-LoroSa’e. Jura katak sei luta kontra violasoins povo maubere nian direitu, luta kontra insjutisas, hodi foti no hatur dignidade ema Timor oan tomak hanesan mos ema hosi rai selu-seluk, jura atu ema seluk la sama tan nian povo maubere. Tanba prinsipiu ida katak labele iha tan ema atu sama ema Timor oan sira, hodi nu’une’e nia rasik hanaran an La Sama, Fernando La Sama de Araújo, nu’udar kodigu luta klandestina nian.

Hahu mos hosi loron 20 fulan Junho tinan 1988 to’o tinan 2000, nia asumi xefia nu’udar Sekretariu Jeral RENETIL, hodi koordena aktividades klandestina hotu hodi hahu dada no rekruta estudantes no jovens nasionalistas sira sai membrus no militantes RENETIL nian.

Fernando La Sama diriji RENETIL nu’udar organizasaun nasionalista ne’ebe luta ba ukun an iha klandestina iha funumaluk (inimigo) nian leet, ne’ebe envolve jovens no estudantes nasionalistas sira iha sidades hirak iha Indonésia nian laran tomak, ne’ebe Timor oan sira hela ba, hanesan iha Denpasar-Bali, Mataram, Ujung Pandang, Surabaya, Malang, Madiun, Jember, Solo, Salatiga, Jogya, Semarang, Cirebon, Bandung, Jakarta, ho Lampung.

Nu’une’e mos diresaun iha Timor-Leste (DIJERTIL), diresaun jeral autonoma iha exterior (DIGAREX) iha Portugal ne’ebe engloba Australia, Englatera, no Irlandia hala’o servisu tuir diretrizes hosi Fernando La Sama de Araújo, ne’ebe mos rona no simu ordem ka instrusoins hosi Komando Supeiror da Luta.

Sira na’in 10 (sanulu) ne’ebe harii RENETIL hato’o ba Komandu da Luta kona ba ejistensia RENETIL nian, depois de liu tiha semana hirak. Hahu hosi biban ne’ebe Fernando La Sama de Araújo diriji hala’o aktividades RENETIL nian ba dala uluk, depois de Komando Superior da Luta mos hatene RENETIL no rekuinese nian ejistensia, nia sempre konsulta ho Comandante em Chefe das FALINTIL Kay Rala Xanana Gusmão, nu’udar dirijenti maximu luta ba independensia nian.

- Iha loron 24 fulan Novembro tinan 1991, liu tiha loron 12 (sanulu resin rua) Masakre Santa Cruz, Intel militares Indonésios nian kaer nia iha nian kos ka hela fatin, fatin ne’ebe sai mos hanesan sede ba RENETIL iha biban neba, iha fatin ida naran Tamansari, iha zona Sesetan, Sanglah, Denpasar-Bali. Ema kaer nia iha kalan boot no lori nia ba liu interrogatoriu iha Intel sira nian fatin, tortura nia no hatama nia ba kadeia iha Denpasar, antes de lori nian ba Jakarta.

Fernando La Sama de Araújo fou-foun ema hatama nia iha kadeia POLDA Nusa Tenggara iha Denpasar, Bali iha loron 24 fulan Novembru tinan 1991 to’o loron 22 fulan Dezembru tinan 1991.

- Hahu hosi loron 22 fulan Dezembru tinan 1991 to’o loron 23 fulan Marsu tinan 1992 hanesan prizioneiru politiku iha kadeia POLDA Jakarta. Hosi loron 23 fulan Marsu tinan 1992 to’o loron 25 fulan Setembru ema muda nia ba kadeia Salemba, Jakarta.

- Hahu hosi loron 25 fulan Setembru tinan 1992 to’o loron 23 fulan Marsu tinan 1998, Fernando La Sama de Araújo sai prizioneiru iha prizaun Cipinang, Jakarta, hamutuk ho kompatriotas, kamaradas no kombatentes sira seluk hanesan João Câmara (atual embaixador TL ba Tailândia), Marito Reis (Secretário de Estado dos Antigos Combatentes e Veteranos da Guerra) no mos Kay Rala Xanana Gusmão, atual Primeiro-Ministro.

- Fernando La Sama de Araújo mos sai koordenador ba seksaun Komunikasaun Sosial, Komisaun Planeamentu no Koordenasaun Kampanha (CPCC-CNRT), orgaun ida ne’ebe mos importante tebes iha movimentu pro independensia Timor-Leste nian. Servisu La Sama nian iha area ida ne’e mak hanesan halo planu no programa kampanha liu hosi : Impresaun Material (panfletus, poster no kartazes); Radio (Programa Oras To'o Ona - Radio Timor Kmanek no Radio Republik Indonesia); Programa Televizaun (Media Center, Dili); Distribuisaun informasaun kona ba kampanha ba Timor laran tomak. La sama mos hanesan Responsavel Prinsipal ba Vox Populi (diariu CNRT nian ba kampanha Independensia) iha fulan Julhu tinan 1999.

Nia partisipa iha konferensia internasional iha rai barak no sai orador kona ba problema Timor-Leste, Direitus Umanus (DH) iha forum internasional hanesan iha Japaun, Inglaterra, Finlândia, Irlanda, Portugal, Amerika, Canada, Hong Kong no Filipina.

- Hosi tinan 1999 too 2001, La Sama kontinua fali nian estudu iha Universidade Melbourne, Australia.

- Iha loron 10 fulan Junho tinan 2001, nia funda Partido Democrático – PD no asumi kargu nu’udar  Prezidente Partido Democrático.

- Iha tinan 2001, iha tempu Governu Konstitusional ba dala uluk (I GC-red), hili nia sai hanesan Vise Ministru Negosius Estranjeirus no Kooperasaun, Vise ba Dr. José Ramos-Horta ne’ebe tutela kargu nu’udar MNEC iha biban neba.

- Iha fulan Julho tinan 2007 eleitu sai Prezidente Parlamento Nacional liu hosi eleisaun ba Prezidente iha Uma Fukun. Hahu hosi ninian eleisaun ba Prezidente iha Uma Fukun Parlamento Nacional no hanesan Prezidente Parlamento Nacional nu’udar orgaun reprezentativo, to’o ohin loron konsegue garante estabilidade politika iha Uma Fukun ne’ebe mos kontribui ba estabilidade nasinal, konsegue manter funsionamentu normal Parlamento Nacional, konsegue konsolida bloku Aliansa Maioria Parlamentar – AMP, hodi orienta Parlamento Nacional ba dezenvolvimentu nasional, no sempre bolu atensaun ba governu no mos lori membrus Parlamento Nacional hodi tau matan ba povo aileba sira iha zonas izoladas no mos bolu atensaun ba governo atu tau matan ba juventude sira.

- Iha fulan Fevereiru tinan 2007, liu hosi konferensia nasional Partido Democrático, reprezentantes hosi Distritus hotu-hotu hakotu atu nia nu’udar Prezidente PD hodi konkorre ba Prezidente Republika iha eleisoins prezidensiais, hodi nu’une’e Fernando La Sama de Araújo lori PD no ema rihun ba rihun no grupu oi-oin husi vertentes hotu-hotu nian naran sai destakadu boot hanesan líder jerasaun foun ne’ebe tama iha jogu polítiku iha nível aas iha nasaun ida ne’e. Maibe sirkunstansias ne’ebe ita hotu komprende halo ninian kandidatura la to’o rohan no dikin.

Ninian kandidatura ba PR hetan apoiu makaas hosi sikun hotu-hotu, hanesan hosi juventude, veteranus rezistensia sira, Padres ho Madres balun, hosi komunidade relijiaun minoria balun, estudantes, akademikus no intelektuais, lideres komunitarius, grupus marjinalizadus, no povo Timor ema rihun ba rihun fo nian apoiu ho vizaun ida katak to’o ona tempu atu jerasaun foun kaer ukun no bandu. Hanesan aileba no la’o ain tanan nian oan, Fernando La Sama de Araújo mos hatene terus ne’e oin sa, sinti iha isin lolon oin sa moris iha susar nian laran, povo nian mate fanun ninian konsiensia, atu sai neon na’in hodi tau matan ba nian povo terus na’in sira.

- Iha fulan Fevereiru tinan 2008 nia asumi kargu nu’udar Prezidente da Republika Interinu depois de Prezidente da Republika Dr. José Ramos-Horta hetan atentadu kontra nia no sofre kanek hodi halo tratamentu iha Australia. Durante nia asumi interinamente knaar nu’udar PR, Fernando La Sama de Araújo hola inisiativa, buka oin sa bele asegura estabilidade politika nasional iha biban ne’ebe Nasaun Timor-Leste hasoru situasaun frajil (estado de sítio) no emerjensia. Buka oin sa atu bele ultrapasa diverjensia boot entre estadu ho grupus armadus sira. Nia ho orgauns soberanu hirak seluk konsege halibur hamutuk hikas PNTL ho F-FDTL hodi tula responsabilidades ba instituisoins rua ne’e atu servi ba povo nian interese hodi servisu no aktua hamutuk iha komandu ida nian okos, hodi hasoru situasoins emerjentes hotu iha rai laran, liu-liu atu buka konvense grupus armadus Alfredo Reinado ho Gastão Salsinha nian.

- Iha ninian lideransa mos grupo Alfredo Reinado ho Gastão Salsinha entrega sira nian kilat ho nian musan ho material selu-seluk, hodi nu’une’e sira entrega mos sira nian an ba justisa. Tanba, se laos lideransa ida hanesan nia mak atentadu 2008 kontra orgaun sobenarus rua, Prezidente Republika ho Primeiro-Ministro mak estabilidade nasional bele la hetan garantia, ne’ebe bele sobu estabilidade nasional.

Ne’eduni, atu bele asegura estabilidade politika, normal funsionamentu instituisoins estadu nian hotu no estabilidade nasional, tenke iha lideransa ida ne’ebe hatene no sensível ba situasoins hotu, lideransa ida ne’ebe tenke iha ninian integridade fizika no moral hasoru situasoins nee rasik.

Tanba estabilidade nasional ne’e hanesan aliserse ba dezenvolvimentu nasional, mak nia sempre halo esforsu boot atu hametin unidade nasional ne’ebe iha ona, atu lori dezenvolvimentu iha nasaun Timor-Leste la’o ba oin.

- Agora dadaun La Sama kandidatu Prezidente Repblika ba tinan 2012-2017, ho razaun katak to’o ona tempu ain tanan nian oan servi povu Maubere liu husi Prezidente Republika. No to’o ona tempu La Sama husi Frente Klandestina sai Prezidente Republika. Tanba, ukun no bandu mai husi povu no atu servi ba povu no mos to’o tempu atu foin sa’e sai Prezidente Republika. Husi Frente Armada Xanana Gusmão sai ona Prezidente Republika, husi Frente Diplomatika Ramos-Horta sai ona Prezidente Republika. Agora tempu ona La Sama husi Frente Klandestina sai Prezidente Republika.

- Maubere Anan La Sama nian mehi atu realiza ideais D. Boaventura nian ne’ebe funu hasoru estranjeiru atu harii ukun no bandu mesak ba rai no povu Timor. Saudozu Nicolau Lobato hamoris hikas ideais D. Boaventura nian ne’e iha tinan 1975 no hatutan husi Xanana Gusmão dezde tinan 1983 to’o 1999. Timor-Leste hetan nian ukun an, legal no lejitimamente hetan rekonhesidu husi Komunidade Internasional iha loron 20 fulan Maio 2002. Iha ukun an nian laran Kay Rala Xanana Gusmão sai Prezidente Republika ba dala uluk iha periodu 2002-2007. Ramos-Horta sai Prezidente Republika ba dala rua iha periodu 2007-2012.

- Espektativa boot La Sama sai Prezidente Republika ba dala tolu ba periodu 2012-2017, tanba to’o ona tempu atu raan foin sa’e sira kaer volante nasaun nian lori dezenvolvimentu lais liu tan ba oin.

- La Sama destakadu iha foin sa’e sira nian leet dezde funu hasoru okupasaun, dezde harii organizasaun luta klandestina estudantil iha funu maluk nian rai klaran to’o tama prizaun Cipinang. Maibe, tanba povu Maubere nian kbiit La Sama sai Prezidente Parlamento Nasional hodi lidera ema ho matenek, politiku na’in 65 hodi hametin instituisaun estadu no mos fo garantia ba estabilidade politika no normal funsionamentu instituisoins estadu nian hotu.

- Ne’eduni La Sama iha ona maturidade politika no sosial naton ona atu kaer knaar PR 2012-2017!

Interview with Fernando de Araujo, Leader of the Partido Democratico

Rua Demokratika No.1
On the road to democracy, where the streets have no name

Interview with Fernando de Araujo, Leader of the Partido Democratico

Wednesday, September 4, 2001

On the beach in Dili, wet and laughing children were doing summersaults.  There was no street name on the street across the beach, just an arrow and a sign : Partido Democratico, 50 meters. PD is Timor’s new democratic party.  Officially 2 months old, PD is the second strongest party in Timor Lorosae.

PD won seven seats at the recent Election for the Constituant Assembly. The address printed on their brochure is Rua Demokratika No.1

Edith Koesoemawiria and Monika Schlicher from Watch Indonesia! interviewed PD Chief, Fernando de Araujo. Araujo spent six years in an Indonesian jail during the Timorese resistance. Afterwards he went to Australia to study and returned to Dili for the elections. Following is the interview.

Why was PD formed?

The idea came about 2 or 3 months ago, when I was in Australia. Friends here in Timor Lorosae felt that there was a need for a party, or an institution, which could accomodate various thoughts and concepts.

Even though many parties already exist?

It’s not easy, parties consist of people, different persons. Then there are those who do not agree to the program, or those who do not agree with the persons because they have seen “things” there.

What kind of things, give an example

We’ll take Fretilin as an example. Many people question why PD does not join the Fretilin. But for PD members, the priority is to democratize the process. We do not want this country to be dominated by just one group. And at the time, if PD joined Fretilin, we would become an extremely dominant majority. We were worried that it would become just like the Golkar party in Indonesia. We do not want to experience the same history over again.  When we speak of the (type of) people, in Fretilin there is a tendency towards veteranism. The seniors are considered to have more rights or know more. This is a very patenalistic attitude unwanted by the PDs.

What differentiates PD to Fretilin?

We’re not the same. Take our positions on government. PD, for instance, is for a presidential system, whereas Fretilin wants a semi-presidential system. And then, the Fretilin would like to restore the 28 November 1975 proclamation. We are against that. In economics, PD would implement a market economy with selective governmental intervention. I don’t know whether Fretilin has the same policy or not. There is also the question of leadership. We believe in the necessity for a new generation.

So does PD reflect the youth of Timor?

Well, 70% of the top leaders of PD are under 40. You can’t say we’re really youths ... we’re called the post-75 generation.

How many member does PD have?

Our policy is to not register people as members. What we have are structures. In each structure, for instance on the national level, there are 27 persons. On the district level there are 25 persons etc. And then, we have also organizers in the villages.

Where is PD getting most of its support, the city or the districts?

I would say, the districts. If we evaluate the election outcomes, you’ll notice that PD has gotten many votes in Ermera and Suai. I’m not sure about Dili, we’ll have to await the outcome. Because we don’t register and distribute membership cards, we can only evaluate from the elections.

What does PD hope for in future elections?

We hope that the people will be more rational. This time, the elections tended to be emotional. Again, if we look at Fretilin, ....certain person are not liked by the people, but because they carry the Fretilin name and banner, they get majority votes.

Are you saying it is the person that is important and not the party?

When I spoke about emotional, I meant towards the party and not the person.  The people are emotional about the party’s name, not because Fretilin offers a better program. It is a question of their (Fretilin) name, their history. That’s what people are voting for, not a program that ensures a better future.

What would PD like to have entrenched in the constitution?

Generally, we want a constitution that reflects the life of the people of Timor Lorosae. A constitution that reflects and protects the people’s identity. We also want a constitution that positions Timor Lorosae in the current era. A constitution that looks forward, that is sensitive to the people tradition and history.

Can you be more precise, for instance on human rights, minority rights, etc.

What we want is a democratic Timor Lorosae, that honours human rights, that doesn’t isolate itself from the world. These are our basic principles, but to reiterate every point in an interview is difficult.

Will PD continue to campaign to attain more support?

Till now PD has won 6 seats. We will go on and keep participating in future elections. This election is just part a prosses to form a constitution. And PD is fighting for a re-election or a new parliamentary election, and a presidential election.

Your views on a tribunal or reconcilation?

Reconciliation has taken place. But we need harmonization in the lives of the people in Timor. The term reconciliation has lost its meaning and value, in the future it would be more correct to use harmonization. This is what we have to do.

And what about a tribunal for human rights violations?

I think it must be done. Harmonization or reconciliation can not put aside the law nor the judicial process. Because only through this process will the people be sastisfied and then harmony will really exist in the lives of East Timorese

And your views on the AdHoc Tribunal in Indonesia for Timor Lorosae?

I don’t understand about the Ad Hoc Tribunal, what kind of system will be enplaced. What we want is an independent tribunal that can ensure justice.

But how do you envision this justice?

Justice would be, where all those who were involved in criminal acts be brought to court. And then, those whose family members were killed, must know who had killed their relatives. Also for those who do not know where their family members are buried, they should at least be informed about the whereabouts of their bodies. ...so and so was killed, or taken into custody on such and such date, his remains were thrown into which lake or buried in what place... the perpetrators should admit their guilt and realize that it is a criminal act.

And although as Xanana says there will be an amnesty, that will be the next step. The step after the enforcement of justice. It is impossible, even ridiculous, to give amnesty when we haven’t determined their guilt. That would be wrong. Amnesty will be the prerogative of the future president of Timor. But before that, it has to be determined first whether these person are guilty or not. If found guilty, then they should go to jail for several years. And then the president can decide on amnesty.

What about the physical destruction, are you considering requesting renumeration?

Yes, I think that has to be discussed. PD would like good relations with Indonesia. With its people and its government. And remember the people of Timor does have good relations with the people of Indonesia, it is only with the military and the government that it is not good. But were working towards a good relation. And then we can talk about the destruction, or about bones of soldiers that are still buried here. It has to be discussed, it has to be negotiated.

So this is long term?

Yes, on a long term...

Watch Indonesia - September 4, 2001
Edith Koesoemawiria and Monika Schlicher